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Steve Greene
PostPosted: 2007-09-26 19:39:06
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south west/7012957.stm

A man says he is gobsmacked he faces action under race relations laws
for starting a petition opposing a travellers site in Swansea.

Carl Lewis collected 953 signatures for the petition while standing as a
candidate in a council by-election.

The Commission for Race Equality (CRE) in Wales said it had instructed
lawyers to start proceedings against him.

Businessman Mr Lewis denied being prejudiced against travellers and said
it was very heavy-handed and onerous.

The petition was handed in to Swansea Council earlier this month.

The CRE claims during the election campaign, in which Mr Lewis stood as
an Independent, he circulated leaflets and petitions calling for the
eviction of two families of travellers whose caravans were on an
overspill car park by the citys Liberty Stadium.

The organisations director Chris Myant said they were taking action
under section 31 of the Race Relations Act which made it unlawful to
bring pressure on someone to act in a discriminatory way.

He said the act existed to enable solutions to be found through debate
in which public expressions of prejudice play no part.

Were this to have been a petition calling on the council to reject
housing applications for any other ethnic minority groups, there would
have been public uproar.

But Mr Lewis, who runs a recruiting business from his home in
Llansamlet, denied he was racist or prejudiced against travellers.

Im gobsmacked, he said.

This petition wasnt against travellers, it was against a second
official traveller site in the area.

He accused the CRE of trying to blacken his character.

This is very heavy-handed and onerous. This says a lot about their
mentality, he added.


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Mel Rowing
PostPosted: 2007-09-26 13:28:59
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On 26 Sep, 19:39, Steve Greene
wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south west/7012957.stm
>
> A man says he is gobsmacked he faces action under race relations laws
> for starting a petition opposing a travellers site in Swansea.

The situation is a simple one.

In the ultimate, it will be a court and not the CRE that will decide
whether or not Mr Lewis acted unlawfully.

That court will insist upon hearing both sides of the question.

I note the usual level of crossposting and have had to reduce the
number.


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Gaz
PostPosted: 2007-09-26 22:30:23
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Mel Rowing wrote:
> On 26 Sep, 19:39, Steve Greene
> wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south west/7012957.stm
>>
>> A man says he is gobsmacked he faces action under race relations
>> laws for starting a petition opposing a travellers site in Swansea.
>
> The situation is a simple one.
>
> In the ultimate, it will be a court and not the CRE that will decide
> whether or not Mr Lewis acted unlawfully.
>
> That court will insist upon hearing both sides of the question.
>
> I note the usual level of crossposting and have had to reduce the
> number.

The Court does not, however decide on whether or not the law is an outragous
infringement on the freedom of the British people.

Gaz


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Mel Rowing
PostPosted: 2007-09-26 14:42:24
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On 26 Sep, 22:30, Gaz wrote:
> Mel Rowing wrote:
> > On 26 Sep, 19:39, Steve Greene
> > wrote:
> >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south west/7012957.stm
>
> >> A man says he is gobsmacked he faces action under race relations
> >> laws for starting a petition opposing a travellers site in Swansea.
>
> > The situation is a simple one.
>
> > In the ultimate, it will be a court and not the CRE that will decide
> > whether or not Mr Lewis acted unlawfully.
>
> > That court will insist upon hearing both sides of the question.
>
> > I note the usual level of crossposting and have had to reduce the
> > number.
>
> The Court does not, however decide on whether or not the law is an outragous
> infringement on the freedom of the British people.

No it does not nor should it. Thats a matter for Parliament.

Ultimately Parliament is responsible to those same people who have the
powers to change the government if they feel abused by these laws.

If they are a burning issue then I for one am unaware of that fact.

I was anxious to point out that the CRE is in no better position than
anyone else to proscribe certain forms of behaviour.

Mr Lewis, as I understand it, has not been victim of any injustice or
indeed any justice either. It would appear he has had a spat with the
CRE. So what?

If he feels abused then he should call the CRE bluff if there is a
bluff to be called. Why does he need to make such of a fuss?


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MikeinCamden@aol.com
PostPosted: 2007-09-27 00:17:14
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On 26 Sep, 22:42, Mel Rowing wrote:
> On 26 Sep, 22:30, Gaz wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mel Rowing wrote:
> > > On 26 Sep, 19:39, Steve Greene
> > > wrote:
> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south west/7012957.stm
>
> > >> A man says he is gobsmacked he faces action under race relations
> > >> laws for starting a petition opposing a travellers site in Swansea.
>
> > > The situation is a simple one.
>
> > > In the ultimate, it will be a court and not the CRE that will decide
> > > whether or not Mr Lewis acted unlawfully.
>
> > > That court will insist upon hearing both sides of the question.
>
> > > I note the usual level of crossposting and have had to reduce the
> > > number.
>
> > The Court does not, however decide on whether or not the law is an
outragous
> > infringement on the freedom of the British people.
>
> No it does not nor should it. Thats a matter for Parliament.
>
> Ultimately Parliament is responsible to those same people who have the
> powers to change the government if they feel abused by these laws.
>
> If they are a burning issue then I for one am unaware of that fact.
>
> I was anxious to point out that the CRE is in no better position than
> anyone else to proscribe certain forms of behaviour.
>
> Mr Lewis, as I understand it, has not been victim of any injustice or
> indeed any justice either. It would appear he has had a spat with the
> CRE. So what?
>
> If he feels abused then he should call the CRE bluff if there is a
> bluff to be called. Why does he need to make such of a fuss?- Hide quoted
text -
>
> - Show quoted text ->

Lets see you prosecuted by a racist organisation with the state
behind it for expressing an opinion and then saying I wont make a
fuss.

I suspect you are an apparatchik of some kind to think like you do -
full of smug self-satisfaction. Traffic warden perhaps?


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MikeinCamden@aol.com
PostPosted: 2007-09-27 00:20:14
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On 26 Sep, 22:42, Mel Rowing wrote:
> On 26 Sep, 22:30, Gaz wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Mel Rowing wrote:
> > > On 26 Sep, 19:39, Steve Greene
> > > wrote:
> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south west/7012957.stm
>
> > >> A man says he is gobsmacked he faces action under race relations
> > >> laws for starting a petition opposing a travellers site in Swansea.
>
> > > The situation is a simple one.
>
> > > In the ultimate, it will be a court and not the CRE that will decide
> > > whether or not Mr Lewis acted unlawfully.
>
> > > That court will insist upon hearing both sides of the question.
>
> > > I note the usual level of crossposting and have had to reduce the
> > > number.
>
> > The Court does not, however decide on whether or not the law is an
outragous
> > infringement on the freedom of the British people.
>
> No it does not nor should it. Thats a matter for Parliament.
>
> Ultimately Parliament is responsible to those same people who have the
> powers to change the government if they feel abused by these laws.
>
> If they are a burning issue then I for one am unaware of that fact.
>
> I was anxious to point out that the CRE is in no better position than
> anyone else to proscribe certain forms of behaviour.
>
> Mr Lewis, as I understand it, has not been victim of any injustice or
> indeed any justice either. It would appear he has had a spat with the
> CRE. So what?
>
> If he feels abused then he should call the CRE bluff if there is a
> bluff to be called. Why does he need to make such of a fuss?- Hide quoted
text -
>
> - Show quoted text ->

There is the small matter of costs which makes these sort of legal
threats such a potent method of stamping on freedom of speech. You try
as an ordinary mortal paying for lawyers against a state willing to
pour unlimited money into smashing you if you are white.

Or inconvenient like the libel action McDonalds brought.


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Maria
PostPosted: 2007-09-27 00:38:26
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On 26 Sep, 22:42, Mel Rowing wrote:
> On 26 Sep, 22:30, Gaz wrote:
>
>
>
> > Mel Rowing wrote:
> > > On 26 Sep, 19:39, Steve Greene
> > > wrote:
> > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south west/7012957.stm
>
> > >> A man says he is gobsmacked he faces action under race relations
> > >> laws for starting a petition opposing a travellers site in Swansea.
>
> > > The situation is a simple one.
>
> > > In the ultimate, it will be a court and not the CRE that will decide
> > > whether or not Mr Lewis acted unlawfully.
>
> > > That court will insist upon hearing both sides of the question.
>
> > > I note the usual level of crossposting and have had to reduce the
> > > number.
>
> > The Court does not, however decide on whether or not the law is an
outragous
> > infringement on the freedom of the British people.
>
> No it does not nor should it. Thats a matter for Parliament.
>
> Ultimately Parliament is responsible to those same people who have the
> powers to change the government if they feel abused by these laws.
>
> If they are a burning issue then I for one am unaware of that fact.
>
> I was anxious to point out that the CRE is in no better position than
> anyone else to proscribe certain forms of behaviour.

Is that the case with the new CEHR?
I am trying to read it but struggling due to the pressures of time -
it appears to me that the ne CEHR has new powers to make orders
against people to stop doing something - the recipient has the right
of appeal. Looks like ASBO style legislation to me.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006/pdf/ukpga 20060003 en.pdf


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Mel Rowing
PostPosted: 2007-09-27 00:51:33
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On 27 Sep, 08:17, MikeinCam...@aol.com wrote:
> On 26 Sep, 22:42, Mel Rowing wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 26 Sep, 22:30, Gaz wrote:
>
> > > Mel Rowing wrote:
> > > > On 26 Sep, 19:39, Steve Greene
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south west/7012957.stm
>
> > > >> A man says he is gobsmacked he faces action under race relations
> > > >> laws for starting a petition opposing a travellers site in Swanse=
a.
>
> > > > The situation is a simple one.
>
> > > > In the ultimate, it will be a court and not the CRE that will decide
> > > > whether or not Mr Lewis acted unlawfully.
>
> > > > That court will insist upon hearing both sides of the question.
>
> > > > I note the usual level of crossposting and have had to reduce the
> > > > number.
>
> > > The Court does not, however decide on whether or not the law is an ou=
tragous
> > > infringement on the freedom of the British people.
>
> > No it does not nor should it. Thats a matter for Parliament.
>
> > Ultimately Parliament is responsible to those same people who have the
> > powers to change the government if they feel abused by these laws.
>
> > If they are a burning issue then I for one am unaware of that fact.
>
> > I was anxious to point out that the CRE is in no better position than
> > anyone else to proscribe certain forms of behaviour.
>
> > Mr Lewis, as I understand it, has not been victim of any injustice or
> > indeed any justice either. It would appear he has had a spat with the
> > CRE. So what?

> > If he feels abused then he should call the CRE bluff if there is a
> > bluff to be called. Why does he need to make such of a fuss

> Lets see you prosecuted by a racist organisation with the state
> behind it for expressing an opinion and then saying I wont make a
> fuss.

At this moment in time there is no mention of anybody being
prosecuted. Thats my very point!

If he is then he must respond accordingly. Going to the papers will
solve nothing. They have not the powers either to initiate or prevent
any prosecution.

If he is prosecuted then, just like the rest of us, he is entitled to
1 hour of a solicitors time for Ł5 (more often than not waived by the
solicitor concerned) so that he may get proper advice on a plea. If he
wishes to fight a case, then he is entitled to legal aid subject to
the same qualifications as the rest of us. If he fights and wins then
he will be awarded costs.


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