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PostPosted: 2008-07-16 18:16:16
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The UKs Information Commissioner has called for a full public debate
about a proposed super-database that would log every phone call, text
and email in Britain.

Every phone call email and text. That is with the exception of
communications within the public sector. Thats strange.

The database, which would hold the details of every ones telephone and
Internet communications and could be accessed by a wide range of security
agencies, public bodys and anyone with the righ hand shake me thinks.
Would be a a step too far for the British way of life.

Unless that is that the public could in return scrutinise every telephone
and Internet communication of every public official in an open and
transparent way.

Do we really want the police, security services and other organs of the
state to have access to more and more aspects of our private lives?
This proposal to introduce an extended Orwellian surveillance systems is
well under way. And many of the more draconian ideals it implies are
still in the discussion stage between the Home Office and the
telecommunications and Internet industries.

The Internet was born out of the freedom to be able to freely express our
individual ideals privately and protected from intrusion of the state.

This radical shake-up of surveillance over the years has give police new
powers to monitor phone lines and Internet communication, letting them
store details on every individuals browsing and communication traffic
already, if they are suspected of any crime. But what this bill will do
is make it routine and compulsory, and as a result we are all guilty
until prov-en innocent. And if laws are added onto laws that are added
onto them. Then in the end we will all be breakers of one law or other.

But yet again no one is watching the watchers, who are in fact the law
makers and the public official who are exempt from such intrusions and
exempt from such laws at the excuse of national security and the moral
high ground.

There seriously needs to be some lines draw in the sand. Just so that we
are all fully aware of where this fully loaded fright train is heading?

...and thats the truth.


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PostPosted: 2008-07-16 18:16:16
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The UKs Information Commissioner has called for a full public debate
about a proposed super-database that would log every phone call, text
and email in Britain.

Every phone call email and text. That is with the exception of
communications within the public sector. Thats strange.

The database, which would hold the details of every ones telephone and
Internet communications and could be accessed by a wide range of security
agencies, public bodys and anyone with the righ hand shake me thinks.
Would be a a step too far for the British way of life.

Unless that is that the public could in return scrutinise every telephone
and Internet communication of every public official in an open and
transparent way.

Do we really want the police, security services and other organs of the
state to have access to more and more aspects of our private lives?
This proposal to introduce an extended Orwellian surveillance systems is
well under way. And many of the more draconian ideals it implies are
still in the discussion stage between the Home Office and the
telecommunications and Internet industries.

The Internet was born out of the freedom to be able to freely express our
individual ideals privately and protected from intrusion of the state.

This radical shake-up of surveillance over the years has give police new
powers to monitor phone lines and Internet communication, letting them
store details on every individuals browsing and communication traffic
already, if they are suspected of any crime. But what this bill will do
is make it routine and compulsory, and as a result we are all guilty
until prov-en innocent. And if laws are added onto laws that are added
onto them. Then in the end we will all be breakers of one law or other.

But yet again no one is watching the watchers, who are in fact the law
makers and the public official who are exempt from such intrusions and
exempt from such laws at the excuse of national security and the moral
high ground.

There seriously needs to be some lines draw in the sand. Just so that we
are all fully aware of where this fully loaded fright train is heading?

...and thats the truth.


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PostPosted: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
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> The UKs Information Commissioner has called for a full public debate
> about a proposed super-database that would log every phone call, text
> and email in Britain.
>
> Every phone call email and text. That is with the exception of
> communications within the public sector. Thats strange.
>
> The database, which would hold the details of every ones telephone and
> Internet communications and could be accessed by a wide range of security
> agencies, public bodys and anyone with the righ hand shake me thinks.
> Would be a a step too far for the British way of life.
>
> Unless that is that the public could in return scrutinise every telephone
> and Internet communication of every public official in an open and
> transparent way.
>
> Do we really want the police, security services and other organs of the
> state to have access to more and more aspects of our private lives?
> This proposal to introduce an extended Orwellian surveillance systems is
> well under way. And many of the more draconian ideals it implies are
> still in the discussion stage between the Home Office and the
> telecommunications and Internet industries.
>
> The Internet was born out of the freedom to be able to freely express our
> individual ideals privately and protected from intrusion of the state.
>
> This radical shake-up of surveillance over the years has give police new
> powers to monitor phone lines and Internet communication, letting them
> store details on every individuals browsing and communication traffic
> already, if they are suspected of any crime. But what this bill will do
> is make it routine and compulsory, and as a result we are all guilty
> until prov-en innocent. And if laws are added onto laws that are added
> onto them. Then in the end we will all be breakers of one law or other.
>
> But yet again no one is watching the watchers, who are in fact the law
> makers and the public official who are exempt from such intrusions and
> exempt from such laws at the excuse of national security and the moral
> high ground.
>
> There seriously needs to be some lines draw in the sand. Just so that we
> are all fully aware of where this fully loaded fright train is heading?
>
> ...and thats the truth.
>
Not to worry. Im sure theyll only search the database if they really
really need to.

{er.... Im flagging that post as IRONIC because I believe many people
dont know what that is. Look it up.}


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PostPosted: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
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Joined: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
Telling it how it is wrote in message
news:QVqfk.8$Oe5.0@newsfe21.ams2...
> The UKs Information Commissioner has called for a full public debate
> about a proposed super-database that would log every phone call, text
> and email in Britain.
>
> Every phone call email and text. That is with the exception of
> communications within the public sector. Thats strange.
>
> The database, which would hold the details of every ones telephone and
> Internet communications and could be accessed by a wide range of security
> agencies, public bodys and anyone with the righ hand shake me thinks.
> Would be a a step too far for the British way of life.
>
> Unless that is that the public could in return scrutinise every telephone
> and Internet communication of every public official in an open and
> transparent way.
>
> Do we really want the police, security services and other organs of the
> state to have access to more and more aspects of our private lives?
> This proposal to introduce an extended Orwellian surveillance systems is
> well under way. And many of the more draconian ideals it implies are
> still in the discussion stage between the Home Office and the
> telecommunications and Internet industries.
>
> The Internet was born out of the freedom to be able to freely express our
> individual ideals privately and protected from intrusion of the state.
>
> This radical shake-up of surveillance over the years has give police new
> powers to monitor phone lines and Internet communication, letting them
> store details on every individuals browsing and communication traffic
> already, if they are suspected of any crime. But what this bill will do
> is make it routine and compulsory, and as a result we are all guilty
> until prov-en innocent. And if laws are added onto laws that are added
> onto them. Then in the end we will all be breakers of one law or other.
>
> But yet again no one is watching the watchers, who are in fact the law
> makers and the public official who are exempt from such intrusions and
> exempt from such laws at the excuse of national security and the moral
> high ground.
>
> There seriously needs to be some lines draw in the sand. Just so that we
> are all fully aware of where this fully loaded fright train is heading?
>
> ...and thats the truth.
>
Not to worry. Im sure theyll only search the database if they really
really need to.

{er.... Im flagging that post as IRONIC because I believe many people
dont know what that is. Look it up.}


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PostPosted: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
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Joined: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
Telling it how it is wrote in message
news:QVqfk.8$Oe5.0@newsfe21.ams2...
> The UKs Information Commissioner has called for a full public debate
> about a proposed super-database that would log every phone call, text
> and email in Britain.
>
> Every phone call email and text. That is with the exception of
> communications within the public sector. Thats strange.
>
> The database, which would hold the details of every ones telephone and
> Internet communications and could be accessed by a wide range of security
> agencies, public bodys and anyone with the righ hand shake me thinks.
> Would be a a step too far for the British way of life.
>
> Unless that is that the public could in return scrutinise every telephone
> and Internet communication of every public official in an open and
> transparent way.
>
> Do we really want the police, security services and other organs of the
> state to have access to more and more aspects of our private lives?
> This proposal to introduce an extended Orwellian surveillance systems is
> well under way. And many of the more draconian ideals it implies are
> still in the discussion stage between the Home Office and the
> telecommunications and Internet industries.
>
> The Internet was born out of the freedom to be able to freely express our
> individual ideals privately and protected from intrusion of the state.
>
> This radical shake-up of surveillance over the years has give police new
> powers to monitor phone lines and Internet communication, letting them
> store details on every individuals browsing and communication traffic
> already, if they are suspected of any crime. But what this bill will do
> is make it routine and compulsory, and as a result we are all guilty
> until prov-en innocent. And if laws are added onto laws that are added
> onto them. Then in the end we will all be breakers of one law or other.
>
> But yet again no one is watching the watchers, who are in fact the law
> makers and the public official who are exempt from such intrusions and
> exempt from such laws at the excuse of national security and the moral
> high ground.
>
> There seriously needs to be some lines draw in the sand. Just so that we
> are all fully aware of where this fully loaded fright train is heading?
>
> ...and thats the truth.
>
Not to worry. Im sure theyll only search the database if they really
really need to.

{er.... Im flagging that post as IRONIC because I believe many people
dont know what that is. Look it up.}


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PostPosted: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
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Joined: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
Telling it how it is wrote in message
news:QVqfk.8$Oe5.0@newsfe21.ams2...
> The UKs Information Commissioner has called for a full public debate
> about a proposed super-database that would log every phone call, text
> and email in Britain.
>
> Every phone call email and text. That is with the exception of
> communications within the public sector. Thats strange.
>
> The database, which would hold the details of every ones telephone and
> Internet communications and could be accessed by a wide range of security
> agencies, public bodys and anyone with the righ hand shake me thinks.
> Would be a a step too far for the British way of life.
>
> Unless that is that the public could in return scrutinise every telephone
> and Internet communication of every public official in an open and
> transparent way.
>
> Do we really want the police, security services and other organs of the
> state to have access to more and more aspects of our private lives?
> This proposal to introduce an extended Orwellian surveillance systems is
> well under way. And many of the more draconian ideals it implies are
> still in the discussion stage between the Home Office and the
> telecommunications and Internet industries.
>
> The Internet was born out of the freedom to be able to freely express our
> individual ideals privately and protected from intrusion of the state.
>
> This radical shake-up of surveillance over the years has give police new
> powers to monitor phone lines and Internet communication, letting them
> store details on every individuals browsing and communication traffic
> already, if they are suspected of any crime. But what this bill will do
> is make it routine and compulsory, and as a result we are all guilty
> until prov-en innocent. And if laws are added onto laws that are added
> onto them. Then in the end we will all be breakers of one law or other.
>
> But yet again no one is watching the watchers, who are in fact the law
> makers and the public official who are exempt from such intrusions and
> exempt from such laws at the excuse of national security and the moral
> high ground.
>
> There seriously needs to be some lines draw in the sand. Just so that we
> are all fully aware of where this fully loaded fright train is heading?
>
> ...and thats the truth.
>
Not to worry. Im sure theyll only search the database if they really
really need to.

{er.... Im flagging that post as IRONIC because I believe many people
dont know what that is. Look it up.}


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PostPosted: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
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Joined: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
Telling it how it is wrote in message
news:QVqfk.8$Oe5.0@newsfe21.ams2...
> The UKs Information Commissioner has called for a full public debate
> about a proposed super-database that would log every phone call, text
> and email in Britain.
>
> Every phone call email and text. That is with the exception of
> communications within the public sector. Thats strange.
>
> The database, which would hold the details of every ones telephone and
> Internet communications and could be accessed by a wide range of security
> agencies, public bodys and anyone with the righ hand shake me thinks.
> Would be a a step too far for the British way of life.
>
> Unless that is that the public could in return scrutinise every telephone
> and Internet communication of every public official in an open and
> transparent way.
>
> Do we really want the police, security services and other organs of the
> state to have access to more and more aspects of our private lives?
> This proposal to introduce an extended Orwellian surveillance systems is
> well under way. And many of the more draconian ideals it implies are
> still in the discussion stage between the Home Office and the
> telecommunications and Internet industries.
>
> The Internet was born out of the freedom to be able to freely express our
> individual ideals privately and protected from intrusion of the state.
>
> This radical shake-up of surveillance over the years has give police new
> powers to monitor phone lines and Internet communication, letting them
> store details on every individuals browsing and communication traffic
> already, if they are suspected of any crime. But what this bill will do
> is make it routine and compulsory, and as a result we are all guilty
> until prov-en innocent. And if laws are added onto laws that are added
> onto them. Then in the end we will all be breakers of one law or other.
>
> But yet again no one is watching the watchers, who are in fact the law
> makers and the public official who are exempt from such intrusions and
> exempt from such laws at the excuse of national security and the moral
> high ground.
>
> There seriously needs to be some lines draw in the sand. Just so that we
> are all fully aware of where this fully loaded fright train is heading?
>
> ...and thats the truth.
>
Not to worry. Im sure theyll only search the database if they really
really need to.

{er.... Im flagging that post as IRONIC because I believe many people
dont know what that is. Look it up.}


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PostPosted: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
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Joined: 2008-07-16 19:42:28
Telling it how it is wrote in message
news:QVqfk.8$Oe5.0@newsfe21.ams2...
> The UKs Information Commissioner has called for a full public debate
> about a proposed super-database that would log every phone call, text
> and email in Britain.
>
> Every phone call email and text. That is with the exception of
> communications within the public sector. Thats strange.
>
> The database, which would hold the details of every ones telephone and
> Internet communications and could be accessed by a wide range of security
> agencies, public bodys and anyone with the righ hand shake me thinks.
> Would be a a step too far for the British way of life.
>
> Unless that is that the public could in return scrutinise every telephone
> and Internet communication of every public official in an open and
> transparent way.
>
> Do we really want the police, security services and other organs of the
> state to have access to more and more aspects of our private lives?
> This proposal to introduce an extended Orwellian surveillance systems is
> well under way. And many of the more draconian ideals it implies are
> still in the discussion stage between the Home Office and the
> telecommunications and Internet industries.
>
> The Internet was born out of the freedom to be able to freely express our
> individual ideals privately and protected from intrusion of the state.
>
> This radical shake-up of surveillance over the years has give police new
> powers to monitor phone lines and Internet communication, letting them
> store details on every individuals browsing and communication traffic
> already, if they are suspected of any crime. But what this bill will do
> is make it routine and compulsory, and as a result we are all guilty
> until prov-en innocent. And if laws are added onto laws that are added
> onto them. Then in the end we will all be breakers of one law or other.
>
> But yet again no one is watching the watchers, who are in fact the law
> makers and the public official who are exempt from such intrusions and
> exempt from such laws at the excuse of national security and the moral
> high ground.
>
> There seriously needs to be some lines draw in the sand. Just so that we
> are all fully aware of where this fully loaded fright train is heading?
>
> ...and thats the truth.
>
Not to worry. Im sure theyll only search the database if they really
really need to.

{er.... Im flagging that post as IRONIC because I believe many people
dont know what that is. Look it up.}


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