LONDON CITY

Chief Rabbi: Britain is besieged

By Elizabeth Day
(Filed: 06/07/2003)


The Chief Rabbi has warned that Britain is being besieged by asylum
seekers and has advocated regional refugee camps outside Britain in an
attempt to deal with the problem.

In an interview with The Telegraph Dr Jonathan Sacks, the spiritual leader
of 280,000 British Jews, said that new policies were needed.

Dr Sacks himself admitted that were it not for Britains willingness to
accept Jewish refugees in the past, almost no Jew in Britain would be alive
today. Nonetheless, the Chief Rabbi said that the changing face of Britain
and the growing number of worldwide refugees needed a new approach.

Asylum cannot be granted to all those who seek it, he said. As the
philosopher Michael Walzer puts it, affluent and free countries are, like
elite universities, besieged by applicants and cannot admit them all.

The pressure of sheer numbers of asylum seekers in the 21st century will
force the West to develop new policies - possibly by establishing regional
protection zones under the auspices of the United Nations.

The introduction of regional protection zones for people seeking asylum in
the UK was proposed by David Blunkett, the Home Secretary, in February.
Under the initiative, asylum seekers arriving in Dover would be screened and
fingerprinted before removal to a UN-run protection area close to their home
country, where their application would be processed.

The Chief Rabbis comments were met with concern by leading members of the
Jewish community, many of whom are children or grandchildren of refugees
from Nazi Germany.

Rabbi Tony Bayfield, the chief executive of the Reform Synagogues of Great
Britain, said that turning away asylum seekers went against the Jewish
principle of taking the homeless into your home, as commanded by the
prophet Isaiah.

Jan Shaw, Amnesty Internationals UK refugee affairs programme director,
added that regional protection zones are likely to involve arbitrary
detention and so may be in breach of international law.

But Sir Sigmund Sternberg, a member of the Board of Deputies of British Jews
and the president of the Reform Synagogues of Great Britain, said: I
applaud the Chief Rabbi for speaking out. You cannot separate politics from
religion.

Source: Daily Telegraph.


Comment:
This is the only practical way of dealing with this type
of problem.



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On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:17:09 +0100, Gavin Staples
wrote:


He escaped by way of a clever device
http://www.smicker.co.uk tells it as it is.
smicker

delphipa> One has to wonder what factors led to this situation (I
delphipa> am sure there are many) but one I would like to draw on
delphipa> is the fact that the UK is heavily overpopulated.

Ha, the UK overpopulated? Its just empty countryside mostly. That
most of the brits want to live near the Thames, is perhaps a problem,
but the population outside that spot consists mainly of people painted on
hills.

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Berend. (-:

Berend de Boer wrote in message
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Surely there has to be someone there?
Who else would make the crop circles?!
(;>D
FA
I.

Gavin Staples wrote in message
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Its all a cunning plot to confuse the coterie of far-right posters to UK
Politics Misc who loathe Jews and asylum seekers in equal measure.

Ive been waiting for their comments on this matter, but I can only assume
theyre still recovering from the shock of opening the Telegraph and
discovering theyre in full agreement with the Chief Rabbi about something.

More seriously, Im worried about how these places are supposed to work.
Whether theyre only for people applying for asylum in the UK or the idea is
that they should be a pan-EU initiative, therere going to be considerable
practical difficulties. At least in the UK, applying for asylum is can be
a pretty protracted process unless the applicant is from somewhere
considered a safe country, in which case the application gets turned round
and almost invariably refused in a few weeks. This is partly because
applications do take time to investigate -- if someone turns up from
Zimbabwe hes quite possibly telling the truth when he says hes in fear of
his life from Mugabes thugs, but deciding if he actually does have a
well-founded fear of persecution at their hands is another matter -- and
partly because the Asylum section of the Home Office is, quite simply, an
administrative disgrace.

Trying to conduct the investigations at long distance is just going to
complicate things even more. Youve also got the problems of providing
applicants with competent legal advice (I dont know how many people have
seen the forms an applicant has to complete -- I have, and I wouldnt like
to fill one out without professional advice) and what you do with people who
se application is unsuccessful but who you cant deport.

As an example of this category, Iraqis are a pretty good example. While
Saddam was in power, it was obviously pretty difficult for an applicant to
prove he qualified for asylum -- writing to Saddam and asking him if his
secret police had, in fact, tortured Mr Ali or murdered one of his family
wouldnt get anyone very far -- but we couldnt really deport him back to
Iraq, partly because there werent (still arent) any flights there from the
UK and partly because even if we werent convinced hed been persecuted
before he left Iraq it was a racing certainty he would be if he were sent
back there.

Even now we wont deport to most of Iraq because the situations so unstable
and we dont want to add to the US/UK interim administrations problems.
Come to think of it, I dont think were yet deporting to Afghanistan,
because the UNHCR are finding it difficult enough to cope with the needs of
the existing population, and the last thing they want at the moment is to be
landed with loads of returning refugees.

Theres the horrible possibility of people being stuck in these regional
refugee camps for years on end in an administrative limbo. While its not
quite the same thing, since people in Displaced Persons Camps at the end of
WW2 knew that eventually theyd be resettled somewhere, apparently those
people who were unfortunate enough to be kept hanging around in DP camps for
two or three years with their lives on hold were pretty fed-up by the end of
the process.

Steve

Actually, I think its a great move. Your average white Christian would be
branded racist for making such claims. Now the lefties are probably working
themselves into a frenzy trying not to offend either ethnic group.

something.


Considering the rules on applying for asylum in the nearest safe haven,
anyone not from Iceland, France, Norway, Ireland etc.., or arriving by
direct flight should be turned away. Their goal is not to seek asylum, if
they were, they would follow the rules set out by the UN. Instead they make
a beeline to the UK where the government will hand them everything they
need.


I guess the phrase beggars cant be choosers comes into play.


Interestingly enough, in the US, there are a ton of Iraqis chomping at the
bit to go back to Iraq, however, the US goverment wont let them yet. In the
UK, its all about deporting them, not about them leaving to go back to their
homeland. Again, highlights the fact that they are not seeking asylum per
se, but a cushy life at the hands of the taxpayer.


Again, for genuine asylum seekers, deportation shouldnt be an issue once
the coast is clear.


Given that their alternative is death, I dont think they would have too
much to complain about, unless again, they are disappointed (like a certain
Latvian family) that they didnt get a mansion and untold wealth every
month.

Gavin Staples wrote in message
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There is a compensation in this.

The massive influx of asylum seekers who if not actually sham dubiously
qualify for the privileged of asylum is in no small part due to the pressure
of the many ethnocentric lobby groups of the Jewish community amongst us.

It is also a product of the talent of the Jewish community for producing a
prolific number of secular Jewish radical leftists whose talent is to
deconstruct and vilify western civilization in eloquent ways. To undermine
faith in our history and morality. They can be intellectuals, directors,
script writers producer, novelists, anthropologists, historians. The
result is the use of diversity, multiculturalism, tollerance. various
moral posturings and the usual Marxist ideas to undermine western ethnic
cohesion in order to both seem less distinct and allow greater influence to
themselves.

There is a survey of these ideas in this article but most will recognise
them intuitively having only buttoned their lips due to political
correectness.

This isnt a feature of all Jews, we can alsways find exceptions or well
hidden double standards; just so many that it is having an powerful
ethnocidal effect on us.

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/Preface.htm

There is no doubt that Europeans and British are suffering. The pressures
in regards to employment, housing costs, public infrastructure costs are
such that the birth rate is plummeting and vast revenue streams are now
diverted to managing the needs of the immigrants and asylum seekers.
Statistically their crime rate is also very high although the state puts in
a great effort not to make available such figures.

Now that the insanity of diversity, multiculturalism, asylum,
immigration is going too far even many Jews are seeing the harm and are
feeling fear (good I say) they have they are reacting in various ways. Some
have joined the BNP and groups like amren where they have been
enthusiastically accpeted even while others continue along the same path:
peddling more diversity even harder, siding even more one sidely against
European whites.

There is a compensation in this.

The Muslims that make up much of the immigrants have a thousand year history
of a beautifully developed anti-Semitism well hidden behind double standards
but also honed to a high pitch by the affairs in the middle east and US
jewish power.

The Jews will suffer consequences for this and if there is such a thing as
deservedness for a people then they would suffer deservedly so. My only
hope is that they do not escape the mess, as they did in Sth Africa and
many times befor but suffer it with us.

I hope it doesnt get to it but I think it will.

infidel wrote in message
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People are not as thick on the ground as in Holland but there are still far
too many for comfort. New Zealand, with 4 million, is just about
overpopulated.

R